its fair to say that there's an art to good conversation, and similar to art, it probably isnt something you can learn from a book.

for what its worth, i believe some key points to be:
1) listening to what someones saying when they are talking, not thinking what youre going to say next
2) dont speak over someone, allow silences to arise.
3) dont be afraid of saying something controversial or challenging. bland conversation is boring, they know this, you know this. take risks.
4) be present.

there are people out there that are great conversationalists - chat show hosts, (good) talk radio djs, listen to some and figure out why they're good at what they do. really i think this is something you will learn through osmosis rather than any books or for-the-love-of-god-no, another PUA product.

Not to judge but I think a lot of guys here make the fallacy which is self-perpetuating namely; (subconsciously) always looking for the golden bullet. The blueprint here is easily the best material I've ever read and watched (and trust me when I say I've seen a LOT) and unlike other programs, it resonated with me to such a degree that Im now taking consistent action. All you need is right here, don't fool yourself into thinking that you don't  'know enough' and need to 'buy another program' for you to become good at daygame. Just take action, follow the blueprint, and the results will follow.

couldnt agree more - really the whole pua thing is just a racket these days (same as it ever was no doubt). this site is the only one i visit now as it isnt so 'gamey' and there seems to be a genuine integrity about the guys that run it. you can see that it's a labour of love for them and they come across as decent, balanced people.

i get the impression theres a lot of other companies with slick marketing operatios that are getting rich on gullible men out there. i listened to a few other PUA podcasts recently and seems there's a whole bunch of guys that seem to get almost addicted to these products, but probably hardly get the balls together to actually take action. then, as you say, they get hyped up into believing product X will 'change everything! give instant results! destroy aproach anxiety for ever! lead to dates with models! etc etc etc'

i used to read another site and got sick of the cross marketing and general sleaziness of the operation. seemed like they were cynically trying to appeal to that particular 'gullible' group and were drilling them for all they can get. i'm sure that particualr demographic keeps them going. the need to get laid is one hell of a driver in young consumers, and through a process of smoke and mirrors the gullible ones get taken for what they're worth. i think we've gone past saturation point with the whole PUA shit. yes there's good stuff out there, but all these guys are just re-inventing the wheel, adding a little twist (changing a few names, using different terminology) then flogging it back. not saying there arent good guys out there (this site for a kick off), but after finding this podcast i did thought i'd check out some other, and after a few episodes realised how good the daygame.com one is and now its my sole listen. the others are pushing shit left right and centre. the only time i ever got that vibe on daygame.com was the david x one, and that was all coming from him.

for the record i've only ever bought one pua product - an ebook, that was a good introduction but was basically a tidied up version of Mystery Method book (which i also bought a few years back, so i guess that makes it two).  learning the basics is an eye-opener, but then you hit the point where the real growth comes from yourself, not from another rehashed product.

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Well aint that a bitch!
Personally, I think we have enough info in this thread to reverse engineer a Romantic Connection.
Basic components like investment, qualification, future projection, compliance tests, and escalation are the keys to unlock her heart.
My philosophy is to keep it simple. No need to make it complex.
This aint rocket science...
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yeah but if we do that then easily impressed consumers wont be required to spend $$$$$ on over inflated, self-aggrandizing products. oh no, wait, that's a good thing isnt it 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fv7MHWmfOi0

this guy is on the money, with a good cerebral approach.  worth checking.

well there's a danger we can get lost in semantics when we start debating what really constitutes 'direct', or 'indirect' or whateverthefuck...

but : my two cents would be that being 'direct' means being completely direct/honest/upfront about your intentions. so if you really are that moved by her fashion, coat, look then yeah, you're being direct. if however you would like to do allsorts of down and dirty things with her of a weekday night, then no, complimenting her look/coat/pet turtle is not 'direct'.

but yeah, this is just semantics and getting too caught up in what is or isnt this or that is basically verging into the masturbatory territory, only without the sticky end.

Balu:

monkey minds and reptile brains apart (fucking hell, David Icke's just got a daygame.com account!), you really need to stop judging people. really. any decent philosophical framework will tell you that. jesus, buddha, oprah, they will all tell you that. seriously, it's not good for you.

and there are over 40 (no pun intended) podcasts on this site. dont like the david x one ? (and for the record, i didnt).  fine, find another, sit back, relax (key word here) and enjoy the show.

who gives a fuck. threads like these just come across like geeky hero worship.

lux its hardly abuse is it - but pissing on a woman is blatantly out of order, as is finding it funny. if you cant see that then something aint right. i've got a younger sister and if i heard of a guy pissing on her i'd fill him in, as i'm sure you would too if it was your sister.

anyway, as far as i'm concerned i've got nothing to learn from a guy who does this. theres a lot of people in this racket with some good, positive, life-affirming stuff to say (the guys that run this site being a prime example), but david x doesnt seem to be one of them.