Unless you feel she?s still not entirely comfortable, you should avoid daytime stuff and push for going out at night again. Tell her your taking her to this great bar that does cocktails, or pub that has live music etc..
You should be suggesting checking out XXXX at your place afterwards, if you feel she?s been showing IOI?s (playing with her hair, leaning into you, touching your arm while talking etc...). I?d suggest going for a quick kiss (no heavy make outs!) which if she responds, means she?s less likely to get her ASD up, than if you just chat and then invite her back to your place.

Peace,
Rumba!

Hi gents,

I thought I'd make a quick post over a subject which I found difficult, when I encountered it for the first time, and which I'm sure other guys will find a dilema. This post is aimed towards intermediate day gamers i.e guys who are getting D2's, D3's and may be getting lays as a result.
 
One of the first things I encountered when I started meeting girls through day game approaches, on my return to London, was how after we'd slept together, they took the frame that we were now in a relationship and would start suggesting going to a friends party, weddings, dates to the movies etc..This is understandable as the vast majority of girls who meet a guy during the day have a clear mind about what they want in a guy and by agreeing to sleep with him, confirms in their mind that he could be a great b/f. In bars and clubs, alcahol can play it's part and so one night stands are written off as a mistake!?
Now when I lived abroad, it rarely came up as I was always honest in how long I'd be residing in that country, so if a girl wanted a relationship, she let me know or if she was happy to have something casual, we'd carry on seeing each other, however most guys on this forum will be doing day game in their own countries. Now for some guys who are looking to meet a girl and have a monogonous relationship, then if that girl makes you happy, then great, hope you have a happy time together.
However if you simply want to meet/date several girls without getting serious then this scenario can present a difficult situation, which several newbies I know have just agreed with her, thinking they can just carry on gaming and have 'on tap' sex whenever they want!?!
However this is totally unfair to the girl involved, who thinks she has a ?boyfriend? but who will eventually get lied to, and let down when the guy starts getting dates with other girls he approaches and who will ultimately end in tears when the guy decides he doesn?t want to see the girl anymore. I know because I did this, and it is not a nice thing for all parties, especially the girl.
BE HONEST!!
I know it seems a good idea at the time, but hold your frame of not wanting anything serious if you genuinely don?t want it! Yes, you will probably lose girls after one night, but it?s better that the girl leaves you feeling disappointed rather than devastated!!

Peace,
Rumba!

but I think central London is not a good place for it anymore

Hmmm, last time I checked ?Central London? didn?t just consist of one, mile long road from Bond Street to Tottenham Court!?!.....

Saturation isn?t the problem here, rather guys being lazy and having a ?herd mentality?.
I can think of five or six places off the top of my head that have better girls and are only a five or ten minute bus/tube ride from Oxford Street. There?s no shoppers, people handing out flyers, charity chuggers..etc.
You can easily approach a girl from the side, without having to run past her, navigating five other people in the process!!!

Now I found these places by going out, hanging around, and seeing what I thought. Some were well known places, some not really known. Several were gold mines for girls and still are, other times I went home having not even SEEN a decent girl, let alone approached one! But the point was I WENT AND LOOKED!!
A lot of guys seem to think that day game in London is just ?Oxford Street ? PERIOD?! Now some of this understandable. They read stuff like ?Tom Torreo?Oxford St?hot Swedish girl?open?instadate?closed on the D2? and think Oxford Street is some sort of ?Miss Universe? pageant. It?s not.
Yes, it has attractive girls, but that?s based on sheer volume and you can spend a lot of time ?searching through dozens of oysters before you come across a pearl?. Guys, it seems, would rather spend three hours walking around and then saying they only opened two girls they liked, than hop on a tube and try somewhere else. Now I understand why Tom and Co. do bootcamps there. It?s a Central Location, easily reached and because they have about 6/7 students, the volume of girls covers the various ages, races, etc.. of the bootcamp students, which a smaller area wouldn?t offer.
But for guys who are on their own (or have a mate with them) there?s no excuse for trying other places. Sure, spend an hour in Oxford Street but then try another area. You might be pleasantly surprised!?

Peace,
Rumba!

Yeah, it sounds like she's giving you a shit test to see if you #1 just give up or #2 give as good as you get!
Just ping her a jokey reply, like "Yeah, I never meet up with sexy, fun, good looking guys as you just dont know what can happen!? " and see what happens.

Peace,
Rumba! 

I have several female friends. One of the most important aspects of gaming is being able to relax and be yourself around girls. By having female friends, not only can you relax (as your not trying hard to game/impress them) but you gain a more detailed insight into the female mind and why they often make the decisions they do. Also being seen out with women friends conveys to other girls that your socially 'normal' which makes them easier to cold approach.

Peace,
Rumba! 

Many of you will respond with "you must be doing something fundamentally wrong" I don't know what it is that I'm doing wrong to be honest. I'm paranoid that it might all just boils down to the fact that I'm a minority. Sounds sad but I'm not going to ignore that possibility. If this is true then i have no other options but to quite game because it is just an uphill struggle.

Then you need to get some coaching or if you can't afford it, video yourself and get some of the experienced guys here to critique it. Unless your gaming at the "White Aryan Brotherhood" rally, it's not your ethnicity thats the issue!

All the PUA advice out there are ignoring one important factor which can override other factors which is looks/race. PUA companies wants you to believe that with great game you can get super attarctive women regardless if your looks, money or status.

Yeah, to a certain extent this is true and as I said in my last post there are some girls who only go for guys of their own race, age etc.. Now this isn't the norm but it would be wrong to say it doesn't exist. A lot of what companies say is marketing hype. It looks a lot better on a companies site to say how ?by following our system, you?ll be shagging nympho porn stars in Starbucks within two weeks!? rather than ?well, we can give you all the tools and advice but bottom line, it?s ultimately down to the girl if she sleeps with you".

?Do you ever wonder why majority of Yad/Tom/John/Nick Krausser's lays come from FROBs? (fresh off the boat) and why not many hot English girls? If you ask that, their response would be "because it is in London so majority of the women will be foreign" WRONG... surely they can go outside London and do daygame? No, they keep going to Eastern Europe and USA?

Dude, I?m from Bristol and regularly return. I also have family in Reading and often go there. Both of these are traditional ?English? cities but the last time I visited I think I only saw one girl in each town who I thought was good looking. There seems to be this misconception that England is overflowing with ?Keira Knightly? types, but the sad truth is the majority are overweight girls in muff tops, skinny anorexic types, or ?plain jane? girls.
Having a boot camp in Grimsby, Slough or wherever would mean guys trailing around all day, looking for half decent girls.

?In the end of the day, you're a stranger. True high quality women will not want to meet their future partners that way. I don't mind if it a numbers game and it is basically a cold calling?

Limiting belief! If you?re a fun, chill, cool non-needy guy you will get girls; this is just the bitter part of you speaking.

?Nobody is going to spend ALL their free time doing this (cold approaching, doing things to get more women), that is just fucking sad. Best to organise something social and invite as many people as possible. This is what I mean, why aren?t we all spending more time exploring alternative solutions??

Yep, and in an ideal world if you had a massive social circle where you were getting invites to parties, events, weekends away etc.. you wouldn?t need day game; period! But how many guys here have that level of social contacts? I bet if most guys here threw a party it would end up a sausage fest, with guys outnumbering girls 3 to 1!!
Bottom line, go to work functions, Birthday parties and other evening events. Join a club to do a hobby/sport/interest you like, but bear in mind the chances of finding that ?hot? girl there are slimmer than going to Starbucks on a Saturday afternoon!

Peace,
Rumba! 

If you try and do mathematical breakdowns of day game (no. of approaches divided by dates etc..) then the results are always going to look poor. As it?s been said by me and others, day game is a numbers game. There will always be girls who go for a certain look/type/race etc.. and nothing you can learn can help you with that. Yes, you can become a better at conversation, dress more fashionable, improve your posture, tonality, grooming etc.. but bottom line; some girls just won?t be into you! Another factor which I think is important is while you do have to put the hours in, going to Oxford Street for two hours once a week isn?t going to yield results if you?re not having any interactions with girls outside of trying to chat them up.
I can?t believe that guys on this forum don?t interact with girls at college/work/socially in some form!? I know my social skills rocketed when, rather than just see girls as something to tread carefully around at work, I started to flirt with/tease them. This wasn?t gaming them, just having fun, but I soon saw an improvement in my success rate. Guys who moan about doing hundreds of approaches without getting even one date need to take on board these factors and also look at having some coaching or a boot camp or get their approaches videoed in order to see some changes.
As Einstein said ?Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?!

Peace,
Rumba!

Daygame is definitely a numbers game, even when you get good at it, but as several guys have replied, part of the adventure of daygame is enjoying the experience of meeting girls.
I'm lucky in the fact that I love daytime approaches, but also enjoy going to bars and have a good social circle, but a lot of guys don't.
Perhaps some guys only have mates who just want to go to the pub, talk shit for four hours and get hammered. Some guys may not have many single mates and don't want to spend Saturday night in bar after bar on they're own.
Daygame is ideally suited for guys on they're own as they don't have to waste money on drinks in some shit pub, because their mates like it! They don't feel like "Johnny no mates" walking around shops/museums/events on their own in the same way they would in some club.
Also remember that although girls are in a social mode in the evening, guys still have to be able to chat to them and display alpha behaviour, which unless that is naturally you takes ages to imprint on yourself. Throw in drunks, amogs, cock blocks and drink prices and clubs soon lose their appeal for the single guy!
You can try evening classes and social events to help you meet more people but daygame should still form an important part of your social dynamic.

Peace,
Rumba!