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Actions & Techniques (Outer Game) / Re: List of good daygame spots
« on: January 25, 2015, 01:58:39 PM »
I actually sighed when I read this post.

As Rumba says, dream on mate and work with what you've got around you

The Sofa / Re: Can daygame compete with online dating?
« on: January 23, 2015, 11:41:15 AM »
Read my post on Male Sexual Market Value.

Online dating just as daygame is a value delivery mechanism. You can display far more of your value through daygame than you can through online dating.

Sure you can get results from online dating but it's bloody hard work compared to meeting women on the street. The main reason is because online your value is placed alongside your mass competition (every other guy) and since she's searching for the highest value male she can, the odds are massively against you.

On the street it's just you and if you display your value effectively you'll get results.

The Sofa / Male Sexual Market Value - An Overview
« on: January 22, 2015, 07:41:49 PM »
Male Sexual Market Value - An Overview

This is a long one guys, but I wrote it because I think it's bloody important :)

**Firstly I'd like to credit Tom Torero & Nick Krauser with the content of this post from a couple of brilliant podcasts I listened to recently. I think this is absolute gold and should be understood by everyone interested in getting higher quality women into their lives**

Understanding Male Sexual Market Value (M-SMV) is key to setting out an effective personal development strategy when it comes to attracting the kind of women you want into your life.

The majority of guys don't even know SMV exists, most just accept the cards they have been dealt and often settle for what they can get. These guys are your typical 9-5 workers who spend their evenings in-front of the TV and watching football in the pub on a Saturday afternoon.

Those guys who do take action and put in effort to develop themselves often do so without too much thought as to whether their efforts are effective.

So why is M-SMV important?

Well, before we get into the components of M-SMV, it's useful to understand the basics of Sexual Economics.

Sexual Economics in a broad sense is a value exchange where the commodity is sex, just like in a regular free market economy.

In the Sexual Market Place we all have a value (SMV) and we're genetically hardwired to seek out a partner with the highest SMV we can obtain. The very basis of life is to survive and reproduce and in order to do that we need to find a mate with the highest value we can, to give our DNA the best chance of surviving.

Like the regular free market economy, our value isn't fixed and fluctuates over time under the influences of external market forces.

A woman's SMV is simply based on her age and her looks i.e. men desire women who are young and hot. Any guy who says otherwise is lying. A woman will try to maximise her SMV by the only way possible, which is to try and improve the way she looks. If you need evidence of this just look at how big the women's fashion & cosmetics industries are and the amount of "anti-aging" products that are available. Sound familiar?

However, M-SMV is a much broader spectrum of components and is more fluid than a females i.e. we have far more control over our SMV than our female counterparts.

The Components of M-SMV

Male Sexual Market Value is made up of three main components, each with a number of sub-components. Each of these sub-components contribute to your overall SMV.

1. Ascribed

Ascribed sub-components are those which you have the least control over and are generally viewed as "the cards you were dealt." I like to think of the ascribed component as your base value.

Age: Not massively important but still a factor which affects your value and something that you cannot change   
IQ: As the old saying goes "smart is sexy.." It's debated whether you can change your IQ, but what's certain is you can put in effort to become more knowledgeable, which will increase your value.   
Height: Again not massively important but still a factor which affects your value.
Looks: Don't kid yourself, looks do matter. Unless you go down the route of surgery, you can't change the way you look. You can however work out, wear fashionable clothes, stay well groomed, smell good etc..all these things will increase your value in this area.
Nationality: Like looks, Nationality does affect your M-SMV though you can't change it.

2. External

External sub-components are those which are generally packaged with your Ascribed, the most common being how much wealth you have and your status in society.

Money: Simply how much you earn or have in the bank. Depending on which value delivery mechanism you are using (We'll get onto that later) money can be an important factor that contributes to your value.
EcoSystem Status: Your EcoSystem status is basically your standing in a particular environment. For example, in a club are you the DJ, promoter, barman or a punter? Having a high status in a particular environment will add value to your M-SMV but this again depends on which value delivery mechanism you are using.

3. Learned

Learned sub-components are those which add the most value and those that differentiate you from the 'average guy.'

Life Experiences: Are you the guy that leads a routine life or do you go out and experience new things? The more life experiences you have, the more value you'll have.
Leading: Leading and being the decision maker is important. If you're not leading you're not maximising your potential SMV
Social Intelligence: Knowing how to present yourself in different social settings demonstrates social intelligence.
Escalating: Like leading, if you don't escalate you're not maximising your potential SMV.
Charisma/Charm: Also referred to as strength of character. Do you stand firm in the face of conflicting beliefs or do you change your viewpoint to please others? Being a strong character increases your SMV.
Non-Neediness: Neediness is known as the attraction killer. The economic term scarcity is what drives men to neediness. Creating abundance and being outcome independent will help stop you being needy and thus increase your SMV.
Male Polarity: Polarity is attraction of the opposites. You're a man, be a man and this will increase your M-SMV.
Confidence: Very important. Remember confidence is not universal, it's just situational competence so it can be worked on and improved.

As you can see, developing an effective personal development strategy to get more quality women into your life requires taking action to work on the sub-components of your SMV.

Knowing these sub-components means you can identify the areas which aren't maximising their potential value, whether that's developing an attractive style or creating a life full of new experiences.

How do I display my SMV?

So you've spent time working on raising your SMV by putting time and effort into improving the sub-components, but unless you're actively displaying your SMV to potential partners, it's all a waste of time.

For our SMV to serve its purpose, we need to present it to women through a Value Display Mechanism. In other words, we need to be interacting with women and there are different ways we can do this.

Though there are different ways to display your SMV, it's up to you to decide which sits within your identity of yourself i.e. do you want to be the lover and attract high quality women despite not being rich or famous or are you happy to use your money & status to be the provider? This is your choice.

Main Value Display Mechanisms

Good Looking Guy Game: Good looking guy game is just that. It's using pretty much just your ascribed value to get the girl. If you are young, good looking, have a great body and are fashionable then that value alone will get you women. Because ascribed value is mainly in the visual, often it requires no work on your part as women will actively engage you.

Daygame: The art of cold approaching women outside of the bar and nightclub environment. Daygame is a combination of ascribed and learned value. Your ascribed value (especially if you don't have much of it) needs to be complemented by your learned value in order to get the girl. Working on your learned value i.e. daygame skills will greatly improve your results.

Nightgame: The classic meeting girls in bars and nightclubs. Night game is a combination of ascribed and learned value just like daygame, however unlike daygame, your ascribed value is more important here. If you're an attractive guy with a good body & fashion sense chances are you don't need many of the learned attributes to get a quick lay. Learned value helps guys with lower ascribed value, think old "Mystery Method" school of thought.

Ecosystem game: Ecosystem game is primarily external value projection whereby status within a specific ecosystem is massively important. An example of this would be a nightclub owner. In his ecosystem (the nightclub) his external value is above and beyond that of a regular punter and therefore attracts high value women. Although effective. The caveat of this value display mechanism is that it's not adaptable i.e. without the ecosystem the mans SMV is lower.

Provider game: Provider game is again primarily external value projection wherby assets are used in exchange for sex. At a base level, provider game would be prostitution i.e. the physical exchange of money for sex. Essentially provider game is where a man utilises wealth to raise his SMV to attract high value women, think a city trader who takes women out for expensive meals and buys her expensive gifts so that she'll sleep with him. Again this is an effective value display mechanism but like ecosystem game, if the wealth disappears and the man can no longer provide, his value drops and the woman seeks value elsewhere.

Deciding which Value Display Mechanism you choose to use ultimately comes down to the type of person you want to be and recognising what value you already have and where you're willing to improve.

Whatever you decide, knowing the basics of Sexual Economics, what makes up your Sexual Market Value and how to display it will greatly aid you in designing the most effective personal development strategy for you.


The Sofa / Re: Resurrecting old numbers
« on: January 22, 2015, 02:33:28 PM »
To do this you generally throw out an intriguing ping message then if she replies you go back and forth a few times then fire out a date request as normal.

I'd suggest just going out and meeting new women though as this isn't a guarantee that she'll reply and if she does again there's no guarantee of a date.

Actions & Techniques (Outer Game) / Re: Gaming in the gym
« on: January 21, 2015, 06:31:05 PM »
Personally I wouldn't "game" in the gym, though if I saw a cute girl who was leaving the gym at the same time as me I might talk to her.

I get annoyed if anyone tries to talk to me whilst I'm training, especially if I'm on timed rest periods. I'm there to workout, not socialise.

Saying that, not everyone is the same, some girls might be receptive to it but I wouldn't go full on direct like Tony says it's a place you frequent.

The Sofa / Re: Standing Still
« on: January 12, 2015, 10:35:38 PM »
Or just be honest and say "actually I don't care where x is, I just thought you looked x and had to meet you"...

Self Perception (Inner Game) / Re: STOP RATING WOMEN!
« on: January 10, 2015, 01:41:57 PM »
I think the whole notion of a rating system is retarded anyway.

For one, there's no universal scale to use and if there was I'd like to know who decided what aesthetic features and personality traits to use on there.

It's like watching a movie, tv-show or listening to music. You might fucking love a film but I'm pretty sure, if not certain not all of your mates, peers or other random people will love it too. But does that change your view on the film, I hope not...

There are so such things as 9s or 10s, there are simply women you are attracted to or not! If you know the girl is attractive enough for you, then that's enough, you don't need to rate her to your friends or forums.


Haha, are we seriously still banging on about this?

Rob, can we get this thread closed OG_Kdub said, it's really not adding any value to anyone who's seriously interested in developing their skills in daygame.

Actions & Techniques (Outer Game) / Re: Dating sites and tinder.
« on: January 01, 2015, 03:23:59 PM »
I don't entirely agree with the above, though I don't really agree with calling anything 'game' anymore anyway..

I've got a date tomorrow with a sexy blonde (have already met her) whom I started talking to on Tinder. I can't see how having sex with her (I'm going to run the train..) would be a bad thing?!

I'd say as long as you're not spending your whole time on there, it's worth having at your disposal. I only use Tinder, not official dating sites as I don't have the time for that and requires much more time/effort.

One piece of advice for Tinder, don't spend ages messaging back and forth, get her off there and into your phone book ASAP and arrange a date using the advice on that subject that's littered around here on the forums :)

The Sofa / Re: How to get over particular women? Not working so far
« on: December 28, 2014, 12:12:39 AM »
Oh yeah, I agree with what Vampyre said about connection, that's really important when meeting these new women. If you don't make a connection with them then you'll feel as empty as you do now and you won't get over her...

The Sofa / Re: How to get over particular women? Not working so far
« on: December 28, 2014, 12:05:38 AM »
I was in a happy relationship up until the point she broke up with me earlier this year and so I moved to Australia where I still thought about her a lot for a while.

Long story short, I slept with a lot of women over the following few months and now she rarely, if ever, features on my mind.

My two cents: Accept you'll still have feelings for her for the time being but with time and by going out and meeting new women, things will get easier and you'll eventually move on. There's not really much else to it than that... :)

The Sofa / Re: Camera guy knew about Tom's actress scam
« on: December 22, 2014, 05:34:55 PM »
Honestly, my opinion has not changed at all about Tom. I still think he is an amazing teacher, someone who has no doubt changed my life.

I'm blown away by what these trolls are doing, its just kind of weird.

How does anything change because the video is fake? The bottom line should always be what YOU get from something, regardless of how it is achieved. If you learned from Tom, and your life has been changed in a positive way (mine has), then this incident should be meaningless. His work pushed me to change myself. He could make up all the fake videos in the world because at the end of the day I have changed, grown, become more of the man I want to be because of Tom Torero and

If this fake video thing really upsets you that much, all it says to me is that you took very little action. You mentally masturbated to someone who you thought was a god and when you find out he wasn't you totally disown him. I pity that type of person. There is a whole world out there and one day you will die.

On your deathbed will you say "Man I STILL can't believe Tom did that!!" or will you say "I was presented an idea and based on that idea I took action and found out FOR MYSELF if the idea was true."

Daygame is real. It exists, at least to me. I can't say that statement would be true if I never found Tom's work. And that would suck.


Rumba! 8)

Absolutely  :)

The Sofa / Re: My Cousin , Is this Seduce ?
« on: December 21, 2014, 06:55:17 PM »

At the end of the day all of this discussion is irrelevant in terms of your own personal development.

Stop discussing, start approaching and find your own style. One thing for certain is that fake or genuine, not all advice is going to work for you personally.

All these videos are just motivational tools to help you develop the belief that you can meet and attract women on the streets because without that belief you're not going to be successful. So what if it's fake, if it made you believe that kissing a girl on the streets is possible (which it is) then it's served its purpose.

Time to forget about it, move on and make some lucky girls day this Christmas ;)

Australia / Re: I'm heading to Sydney!
« on: July 03, 2014, 01:56:06 PM »
Hi Kyle, got your email but can't reply as it doesn't like the return address. Direct message me on here if you read this. I'll be in Sydney for two weeks landing Sunday

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