@Who It's pretty simple you have your point of view on same day lays and we have our point of view, only thing is it feels like your trying to force your point of view on us and have us feel the same way...
If you want to go on believing same day lays, don't require game, I would say go ahead.
Andy Yosha spoke at the 21 convention about beliefs and convictions. All i've done is posted my opinion and factual experiences to back it up. It seems to me by the way you're acting you have a conviction considering how offended you are by my experiences.
The OP is putting too much significance on same day lays without realizing that the girl's mindset plays a huge part in what she is capable of on the same day of meeting someone.
All I can say is that in my experience, same day lays usually come down to how easy a girl is.