Getting to the hook point.

[Lummers]

Ok. So today I went out to do some day game and managed to compliment/direct open 10 sets.
(I guess number 9 doesn't count too much when I did Sasha's 'Hey mate, is this your girlfriend?'  'Yeah.' 'Dude, nice, you're gonna have to show me how it's done.' - But got my confidence up.)

It took me a long time to get to this point, but that was when I wasn't too into game, didn't do it regurlarly and only went out once or twice in the space of a year. So, if you look at the amount of times I've actually been out to daygame, I think i'm improving fast.

I love using direct openers, they allow you to run towards a girl and open, be completely honest and are fun - usually leaving the girl with a positive feeling.

There's just one thing. - Now i'm finally opening the girls I want to open. (Including a 5 set who I originally walked past thinking 'dealing with 5 girls would be insane.' and then thought, man up Lummers and went back to open them.)

I can't get further than this.

And I know the theory of what to do. The bridge. Andy and Yad's statement question etc should bring me along nicely to the hook point, but I just go completely blank.
Picture me in set, with those 5 girls, 'So you're all standing around on the ... street. Talking to each other and... what are you....doing, I mean.... are you waiting for... a ... water fight or something?'...

*Dammit Lummers, wtf was that? Do these girls look like they're dressed for a water fight?*
N.b. they did not look water fight ready.

'Err. No....' - Not many hooks I can take from this.

'Oh. So are you students?' - And bamn, I've taken myself to interview questions...from a completely wierd water fight comment...

I did similar things so many times today, I opened this blonde chick in the cutest pink dress, she was stunning.
'This is random, but I love that pink dress. You just caught my eye and I wanted to come and meet you. I'm Lummers.'

She says nothing. She smiles at me, with a hint of confusion in her eyes...
I see the confusion and say nothing thinking, well, now this is awkward.
The confusion in her eyes turns to awkwardness and she stutters 'okay.'

Then I launch in like a hero. 'You sound foreign! Are you foreign?'
And she replies:
'No.'

'Oh, well, you sounded foreign when you said okay, so I just assumed. Well, you look really nervous now and that's probably the awkwardness of this mad situation. So, nice meeting you...'

*Dammit Lummers, the open went so well. And then it went down hill.*

It's the wierd look that puts me off. It's the girl smiling oddly and the look on her pretty face saying 'wtf is happening...who the hell are you?'
And I get all stirred up thinking make an assumption! But it goes horribly wrong...

I notice that some people are more open than others and happier. eg. 'Oh, thankyou Haha, thankyou. Thankyou. Thankyou! Thankyou...'
She seemed generally pleased with the compliment. And another said,' Oh Thanks, yeh I dyed my hair myself.'

But even still, I make a lousy assumption and then I flail. I hesitate. And, I exit.

If you can help with any advice that would be great.
I know I have to subtle down my high energy body language and speak from the diaphram, but on having things to say I am so far out so this is the area I need help.

Is it a good idea to use canned material for a while?

[Rob]

To be honest mate i am not keen on this complimenting on her style/dress sense- if she is hot then i think she is hot. I have just purchased the Direct Dating Summit DVD which Sasha held and brought out (its awesome). The main speakers are Alan Roger Currie, David X and Badboy all of which are the biggest guys in 'Direct Game'.

A big part of it is that you have to be clear with your intentions, so to me complimenting on style/dress sense is too indirect and i can see why the girl may get confused as it is a bit of a random thing to do. What these guys say- and what i do myself is to be actual direct as in tell her straight away you think she is stunning (or whatever you are feeling in that moment) and that is the real honest reason why you wanted to meet her.

Just my thoughts, but try it yourself and see how it goes

[Lummers]

Rob, Thanks for the reply, but I don't think I'm there yet.
I've worked for so long to just to get an opener down and I want to move on. (I'm bored of opening! I want a conversation!) - So maybe once I can start getting into conversations I might think about changing the opener to be more honest, but for now I'll stick with it.
Although I can see where your coming from, keep me updated on how your game is going.

Lummers.

[craze6663]

go out tomorrow and start going direct...just do it, the very first time i did the gril stayed and she stood there cause i was expecting her to not stop, lol you can use that styles thingy to get a conversation going

[Tony]

And I know the theory of what to do. The bridge. Andy and Yad's statement question etc should bring me along nicely to the hook point, but I just go completely blank.
Picture me in set, with those 5 girls, 'So you're all standing around on the ... street. Talking to each other and... what are you....doing, I mean.... are you waiting for... a ... water fight or something?'...

*Dammit Lummers, wtf was that? Do these girls look like they're dressed for a water fight?*
N.b. they did not look water fight ready.

First, what you say doesn't have to make sense. We're not connecting on any deep levels just yet. She (they) are still trying to figure out what you want and get a grip on what just happened to them. (Do you preframe?) Just talk.

"...water fight or something? 'Cos, you know, I could totally predict who'd win. You! (point) You know why? 'Cos you have that look in your eyes... (insert some semi random cold read)" Just talk. You'll get to the real conversation pretty quickly.

Second, I agree with Rob. You risk being an entertainer that gets nowhere. And it just sucks when you get your hopes up about this amazing girl and she just thinks your funny and never even thought about doing the dirty 

 

[Lummers]

Tony, what's a pre-frame?
Is it just something like 'excuse me, this is totally random but...'

And seriously, just say 'I think you're beautiful.'
.. I always thought that was kind off creepy. I know it's being honest and everything, but I think the girl might be freaked out. Then again, she's going to be freaked out by a randomer opening her anyway....

Plus, i'm only 20 and look younger...(16/17)... and I hit on a 24 year old the other day, so if I do that again she'll be like 'wtf? this 16 year old is hitting on me....?'
I would totally dig a 24 yr old though.

I'm gonna go out tomorrow hopefully, if it's not raining! And try and get a bit longer in each set. I'm always the one to eject because I get scared... lol. I'll try to stay in set for as long as I can but what do you reckon the right frame of mind is for this?

[Rob]

And seriously, just say 'I think you're beautiful.'
.. I always thought that was kind off creepy. I know it's being honest and everything, but I think the girl might be freaked out. Then again, she's going to be freaked out by a randomer opening her anyway....

And thats the one reason/limiting belief why NO ONE else does this. It surprising to a girl but surprising in a good way.

You obviously have to put the practice in so you are able to do it correctly in a completely charming and even romantic way. I would say the most important thing to concentrate on at first would be to come off as 100% AUTHENTIC, that way they really appreciate it.

When I was first practicing i would open any girl who was average or just a bit pretty by saying she is beutifull etc but i was getting blown out as it was coming of wierd. But then i realised that i actually wasnt attracted to the girl enough so the authenticity/passion wasnt coming through. When you see that girl who you really desire and you just have to meet her, thats when the direct opener really works, she can tell you are being completely genuine- with a big smile on your face and maybe even a bit nervous.

You have to really desire her and let the passion come through, as opposed to going up to any alright girl and saying- 'yeah, you're hot'.
This is where guys are going wrong in nightgame as well. They might have a few drinks down them then approach the girl like this- she can tell he is just after something as it is not authentic enough.

[Lummers]

Ok.
Just one thing, there aren't many girls in my town who I would say 'you're beautiful' to.
Some of them are, but most are average or have nice bodies/legs/figures.
I want to get good at this and that means I'm not going to hang around waiting for the one most beautiful girl, I want to chat to the average (6's and 7's) aswell. It will mean more conversations and will make me improve.

I got the wierdest look I've ever had in daygame before when I said.
'Hey, I just want to compliment you on your walk. It's so feminine and relaxed, like your on a catwalk, so I thought I'd come and meet you.'
And the look was terrible, like these girls were like 'WIERDO....' so I got out of there pretty fast.
I suppose I wasn't really being authentic because I really thought the walk was a bit slutty. She was fit and had standard/normal clothes on so the only unique thing was the slutty/bitchy walk.
The 100% authentic approach would've been.
'Hey, I think your really hot, but you kinda look a bit bitchy, so I thought I'd come and find out.'
And that's a little offensive....

And to the 7's and 8's the authentic approach would be:
'Hey, I saw you and just thought you were relatively good looking, so I thought I'd come and say hi.'
It's a little harsh....

I'm gonna go out tomorrow and try this. Really hope for good weather.
What would you guys do straight after the opener? - Assumption? Canned Material? etc.

[Rob]

Some openers i have used on 7's and 8's are things like- "I just wanted to say hi because i think you are quite cute" and "I just had to say hi because you are the prettiest girl i have seen today" obviously saying it with a big smile .

After the opener i usually introduce myself and ask what she is upto today to break the ice. Maybe tease her or say something funny to make her more comftorable. I usually also find out what she does as in job or study wise and just connect/qualify/tease from there. I also talk about myself and what i do.

One thing i do 100% of the time (and what im going to have to trademark haha) is to talk about the approach itself- as in has anybody approached her before in the daytime like this and i go onto explain how i know its random but i feel as though guys really should do it more often rather than get drunk in bars and clubs. I have found after this they are a lot more comfortable and much more appreciative of the approach. This seriously is GOLD as it is such an intersting conversational topic as well.

[Rumba!]

I think your getting too caught up in crafting the perfect direct opener, saying it and then going blank as to what to follow up with. I see a lot of guys on the forum, saying they tried a Direct opener, but then because they have'nt worked on building their social skills, the girl just says thanks, or smiles and walks away as the guy can't carry on a social conversation! The opener isn't some mystic "Lord Of the Rings" type magic ring, but just a way to open a conversation. No girl is going to go out with you based on an amazingly direct statement! They will see you again if you come across as a cool, fun, social guy. Try working on your conversation skills by chatting to girls (shop staff, work collegues etc..) without trying to game them. You'll relax more and feel less pressure to be funny/sexy/cool when you do a approach.
Give a try to complimenting a girls style. I have had several D2's (and beyond ) by simply commenting on a girl's bag/necklace etc..and then immediatly transitioning onto other topics. Girls like it when a guy notices something she's wearing. They relax and forget that your a stranger and then you can start to chat about other stuff; what she's doing?What you plan to do etc..

Peace,
Rumba! 

[Rob]

I think your getting too caught up in crafting the perfect direct opener, saying it and then going blank as to what to follow up with. I see a lot of guys on the forum, saying they tried a Direct opener, but then because they have'nt worked on building their social skills, the girl just says thanks, or smiles and walks away as the guy can't carry on a social conversation! The opener isn't some mystic "Lord Of the Rings" type magic ring, but just a way to open a conversation. No girl is going to go out with you based on an amazingly direct statement! They will see you again if you come across as a cool, fun, social guy. Try working on your conversation skills by chatting to girls (shop staff, work collegues etc..) without trying to game them. You'll relax more and feel less pressure to be funny/sexy/cool when you do a approach.

This is so true. An opener is just an opener at the end of the day. Its how you follow it up.

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