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Author Topic: Debate about direct mindset  (Read 1885 times)

Offline Alex love

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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2010, 12:40:54 AM »
It isn't useful to pretend you don't like a girl ever. Girls always know when you like them anyway....

But the flip side of that coin is, if you know I like you, and I know I like you, then we don't need to verbalise it. It's understood, so let's not complicate things by talking about it, lets just get down to having a sexual relationship. Sexuality is only verbal in the bedroom, outside of the bedroom its all non verbal, you don't need to mention it with words at all, everyone still knows its there.

The time to tell a girl you like her is when you're nervous and she doesn't understand why. Then it's a compliment, and it creates a very strong reality in which you are OK to be who you are.

Just my ten cents anyway  :)


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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2010, 11:54:37 AM »
Been thinking a bit more about this, and I'd like to break it down into further details, in case anyone is interested in the deeper theory behind choosing direct, indirect, or indirect/ direct. Skeletor was my mentor and I've had a lot of experience and coaching on indirect/ direct, so I'm biased towards that approach :)

When I got into the community, I came from the mindset that 'I have to talk a girl into liking me, because girls don't like me how I am. Once I've talked her into liking me I can ask her out'

As a result I wound up approaching tonnes of girls, but asking 'indirect' questions in the hope that I could fool them into thinking I wasn't actually chatting them up, long enough to convince them to like me (through DHV stories etc).

The problem with that approach is that women are by and large very well tuned in to our emotional states, and generally make an assumption that if a random guy starts talking to them he's hitting on them. Lets face it, its true  :)

That's why people start having success when they go direct/ mode 1. The success comes from not trying to bullshit the girl, and she'll often appreciate it. It comes from finally being authentic. Authenticity is the most attractive quality anyone can have. If a woman feels you are authentic she can feel safe with you, and you'll stand out as someone truly different.

However, it is also very high pressure for the girl. She has to make a decision there and then to begin a sexual relationship with you (even if you just ask her out - dates are inherently sexual interactions). She has to make a verbal commitment based on very little information.

So, if you are going to go completely direct/ mode one, its worth considering what other things you are displaying that a girl will have to make up her mind about you. It works best if
- You have big muscles
- You have expensive clothes
- You already have high social value in the venue that she will be aware of

OR
- You just happen to be her type

I'm a really skinny, pale, floppy haired guy with scruffy clothes and skin problems. My main attractive qualities are my sense of humour, my inner confidence, and my ability to love women (and my big hats). These are all qualities that she will pick up on quickly, but often not before I've spoken to her.

Badboy is a big muscly guy with expensive clothes etc, so in his case, the girl will often be really interested before he even talks to her, so when he goes direct she'll be poised to say yes....

The advantage of indirect/direct is that it lets you display all you inner qualities, your energy, sense of humour etc in a way that isn't high pressure to the girl, but is also authentic. At no point are you pretending not to be interested in the girl, if she asks if your interested you can be honest, but she wont ask, because you'll both know it.

I was fortunate enough to be asked to speak at a conference with Yad a few months back, and I caught his talk. He explained how he meets women in the street and leads them back to his place for casual sex. His entire approach was indirect direct. Try talking to Yad for even a few seconds without thinking about sex - you can't! It pours out of him. When he talks to a girl they both know he's initiating something, but he never mentions it, he casually asks them to join him for a drink, casually leads them back to his place, casually invites them up to his room, casually asks them to lie down with him on the bed......

It fun and pressure free for everyone  :) No tricks, no gimmicks, just incredibly natural, the way sex should be!

I hope this helps clarify the issue somewhat  ;D Good luck guys!


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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2010, 08:08:49 PM »
I was fortunate enough to be asked to speak at a conference with Yad a few months back, and I caught his talk. He explained how he meets women in the street and leads them back to his place for casual sex. His entire approach was indirect direct. Try talking to Yad for even a few seconds without thinking about sex - you can't! It pours out of him. When he talks to a girl they both know he's initiating something, but he never mentions it, he casually asks them to join him for a drink, casually leads them back to his place, casually invites them up to his room, casually asks them to lie down with him on the bed......
And this is all because of his body language? The usual stuff like standing tall, making good eye-contact, tone of voice, etc? Or is there more to it? :)

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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #18 on: December 25, 2010, 04:42:44 PM »
Good question Tony,

First and foremost, the best person to talk to about Yad's style is Yad - I was just using him as an example.

From my experience, yes it is about body language, but as Sasha Cobra would put it, it's really about energy.

It is useful to work on your body language, posture and voice tonality, because they have an effect on your inner state.

However, as I'm sure you'll be aware, it works both ways. If you can establish a continual 'good state' throughout your life you'll find your body language, posture and tonality changing. This is preferable to simply 'getting in state' before you go out 'sarging'

So what does it mean to have good energy? It means a few things. Firstly - health - do you eat well, sleep well and get excersize? If you have an illness to you help yourself or keep punishing your body? These are extremely important.

Secondly - intention - what is your intention when you talk to a woman? If it is to 'get her to sleep with me' you'll be coming from a 'taking' mindset. The problem here is; people don't want you to take from them! We are all very intuitive, and women generally more so than men (they have to be to survive with less physical strength). If you come with the intention to take, they'll feel it and be repelled - think of a charity mugger on the street - you know they don't really care what you do, they just want money. She knows you don't really care what she does, you just want pussy!

Infinately better is to come from a sharing mindset. Sharing is mutual giving, each giving to the other simultaneously. This is what dating and sex should be, and through this each person grows.

So if you approach with an energy of warmth, empathy, and a desire to share a beautiful, sexual experience, you'll get a much better response. Yes, she'll feel it through your body language, voice tonality etc, but you shouldn't focus on that.

And if you come woth this energy, it will be so obvious that you are into her, you will in effect be 'going direct' but at no point will you need to verbalise it......

"Now, look, I've given a million ladies a million foot massages, and they all meant something. We act like they don't, but they do, and that's what's so fucking cool about them. There's a sensuous thing going on where you don't talk about it, but you know it, she knows it, fucking Marsellus knew it, and Antoine should have fucking better known better"

- Vincent Vega, Pulp fiction


Uagh! Making posts on Christmas, I told myself I wouldn't do that, I am such a looser.......

Good luck!

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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #19 on: December 25, 2010, 05:53:35 PM »
hey Alex,
thanks a lot for your posts, even if it is christmas.
I don't know if you have ever heard of Zan. He is a lover of women like casanova.
He tells a girl he likes her in the very first 30 secs but keeps it light and fun.
He calls this focused but relaxed approach.
One important thing I learnt from him, is that women do not put you in categories. You put yourself in a category (like lover, friend, potential lover, etc), and that you have to be in touch with your sexuality and masculinity.

ok, now a question popped to my mind. If being genuine and authentic is a must, should you talk only to women that you are attracted to? I mean I see many pretty girls, but I am not attracted to all of them.

Happy christmas to all.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2010, 06:00:16 PM by geo2010 »


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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #20 on: December 25, 2010, 11:30:16 PM »
You know what you want. She knows what you want. The sexual subtext is ever present so why bother being overt about it? If you can communicate it well enough then implicit sexuality can ramp up the sexual tension to the point where the girl will want to tear your clothes off.

Its pretty simple to understand when you open your eyes and rid yourself of all the overly complex "social dynamics" that's floating around.
« Last Edit: December 25, 2010, 11:32:39 PM by Dick Strong »

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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2010, 12:03:35 PM »
I've read a lot of comments about this mode one and all this super direct approaching. Personally if it works for you then fair enough, stick with it. If it doesn't then you've got to find your own style that suits you instead of pretending to be these David X people.
Personally if I see a girl I like I'll stop her and tell her she looks absolutely stunning with a cheeky grin on my face, and I've had at the most 2 negative responses which was due to me stopping her incorrectly. It's direct but not as direct as others, but it's what I feel comfortable with and when you're comfortable you are your most confident...AKA attractive.
But hey this is just my opinion XD

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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #22 on: December 27, 2010, 04:31:18 PM »
Dick, spot on, pleased to see your on the DG forum :)

Harry, your absolutely right, first and foremost do what works for you....

Soon as I figure out how to add Karma I'll drop some on you two muthas! (anyone know how? am I just being dumb?)

In answer to your question, no don't only speak to girls your interested in. Don't only talk to girls full stop. Talk to everyone, find out what's interesting in everyone, but only be sexual with girls you naturally want to be sexual with - this won't always be the super hot foxes, it can also be any girls who are generally comfortable with their sexuality.

Just my 10 cents :)

Peace :)

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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #23 on: December 29, 2010, 08:35:29 PM »
I've always said this, and I will say it again:  Direct approaches, and more specifically Mode One approaches, are not for everyone.

Who is Direct / Mode One NOT for?

1)  If you are a guy who is constantly worried and concerned about how you are perceived by women, you should not be direct.
2)  Similar to #1, if you are a guy who genuinely gets bothered when women categorize you as an "asshole," "jerk," or some other highly subjective label, you should not be direct.
3)  If being quickly and abruptly rejected by women really, really bothers you for days, weeks and months, you should not be direct.
4)  If you cannot handle "shit tests" from women, and being harshly criticized by them and/or insulted by them, you should not be direct.

What type of guys is Mode One / Direct most beneficial to?

1)  Men who don't like to waste time engaging in "manipulative head games."
2)  Men who don't like to waste time and/or money pursuing women who do not have a genuine romantic and/or sexual interest in them
3)  Men who realize that most of women's subjective criticisms are bullshit and strategic facades to help them appear to be "good girls"
4)  Men who realize that rejection, in the long run, is actually more beneficial to them than it is detrimental
5)  Most importantly, and similar to #3, direct is for men who realize that ultimately, women want to fuck just as much as men do, if not more ... but the one difference is, women are conditioned to behave like "good girls" ....  being indirect does not change, smash or negate their social conditioning ... but being direct / Mode One most definitely does.

My thoughts.

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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #24 on: December 29, 2010, 09:11:26 PM »
The premise of this thread is you can get more results by being indirect, at least verbally. That one might scare off potential mates by being direct and putting them on the spot.


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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2010, 10:01:40 PM »

5)  Most importantly, and similar to #3, direct is for men who realize that ultimately, women want to fuck just as much as men do, if not more ... but the one difference is, women are conditioned to behave like "good girls" ....  being indirect does not change, smash or negate their social conditioning ... but being direct / Mode One most definitely does.


Thanks MO4E, nicely put :)

My tendency to be 'indirect-direct' reflects exactly this point. It isn't always appropriate to smash someone's social conditioning. There are lots of ways to have awesome sexual relationships with women which doesn't challenge their social conditioning, but instead works with it, whilst still appealing to their animal, raw sexuality. It is, in effect, the best of both worlds, for me at least.

Tony, really appreciating your input so far, however I'd say you've slightly missed the main premise of the thread. From my perspective the take home message is that you get great results if you ARE direct, but that being direct doesn't have to be verbal. It can be if it works for you, as it clearly does in MO4E's case, but sexuality is an undercurrent to all our lives, if you ride the natural undercurrent you never need to disturb the peace on the surface, and everything often goes smoothly.
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Re: Debate about direct mindset
« Reply #26 on: December 29, 2010, 10:20:38 PM »
Tony, really appreciating your input so far,
Always glad to be of service  :P 8)
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From my perspective the take home message is that you get great results if you ARE direct, but that being direct doesn't have to be verbal.
My reply was meant for ARC. His directness is (afaik, if I understood the book correctly) verbal and that's what some of the guys in this thread say doesn't work for them or doesn't give them the results they get from verbal indirect game. We're not talking about non-verbal directness in this case.