Why daygame?

[babe catcher]

Why do men have to go out of their way and learn special pick up skills just to get women? what does it say about society? Did the romans daygame their women too? whats happended to just simply going up and showing interest in a woman and letting nature take care of the rest? any thoughts are welcome..... 

[kaaijer]

Three words: men chase women

That's just the way it goes, and always have been. Do I want it be to different? No, absolutely not. Being the chaser also means you are the selector! You see lots of women, select the one YOU desire and pick them up. It's so simple and beautiful. Women love being picked up.

I don't know what you mean by "showing interest in a woman and letting nature take care of the rest", but it comes damn near close to direct game, don't you agree? Again, you select a woman you desire, compliment her in any way you see fit (show interest) and get to know her (let nature take care of the rest).

Don't be lazy, enjoy the process of nature (women need to find out if you are the man she wants to be with), so show her how great a person you are.

[babe catcher]

so whats wrong in being honest with women and showing them you are needy? afterall we men are needy of women and vice versa, so why doesnt simple honesty work? why pretend to women we men are not needy? to me thats trying to be deceptive to a woman just inorder to win her over, should a woman not respect a man for good traits such as honesty, faithfullness etc? why do women like bad guys over the good guys? somethings not right here me thinks  the worlds gone upside down  and we men try to pretend we are bad guys just over a bit of hot pussy, so what does that say about us? is that a real man or is that a testosterone laiden animal who is blinded in his pursuit for sex?  guys lets have your thoughts..... 

My own thoughts are that real men have good values and dont need to become hungry animals and try to seduce a woman to his water bed, afterall imagine if some guy did that to our own mothers, sisters, daughters, would we feel proud of that guy who shagged our own women and treated her like a piece of flesh to unleash his sexual fustrations on?  some food for thought there.....

[babe catcher]

I find it ironic that we try to pretend to be 'high value' men in order to game pretty women, BUT we have the lowest values, we think with our penises most of the time!  isn't that ironic? Alanis morrisette 

Time for a daygame blueprint makeover! 

[RizkyM]

Now this is stupid question...

Why the fuck do I need to go out and learn?

Because I was born and raised as a pussy.

Because modern man was born and raised as a pussy. That's why. I dunno about romans, but I was raised in the age when everything is alright and perfect.

No need to fight.
So no balls...
So no Animal Instinct.
So you don't have women.
So that's why I ended up learning this shit

Now blame your parents, school, society for that.

Pathethic, yes... how pathethic.
Women are everywhere. But we failed to see those potential like we are fucking blind.

I fell like killing myself sometimes knowing that...

No joking.

But hey maybe we are not roman fighting greeks, so let's take this Daygame shit as our war. Street is the battlefield, you are the knight, your dreaded enemy is your own fear and pussyness...

Duh, now that is cheesy...

[MMH]

I don't care about being 'high value' or whatever you want to call it. I am very aware of my own value and have a high opinion of myself. I don't need to put on a front to convince other people of that and can't say I care too much. I am not a 'bad guy', nor do I feel the need to be. To me, by consciously trying to do that, you are already showing yourself as low value as you are attempting to prove yourself.

Man has always thought with their penis - women will use that criticism with men anyway. Thing is, women think with their vagina, so you flip the script and its more or less the same thing. It is inaccurate to say men have 'no animal instinct', some just don't know how to express their animal instinct or are afraid to.

In reply to 'babe catcher', I don't think the word 'need' should apply - the way I see it is that I don't NEED a woman, I WANT her. There is a big difference. Being needy implies you are being borderline creepy and basically being a stalker. When you want a woman, you desire her company and to get sexual with her, but you accept that if she is not romantically interested in you any way, you move on. You still want her, but know that you'll be fine if she does not want to be a part of her life.

[Kraven]

Dude the reason you gotta do shit is to make yourself more attractive. In the same way women put on make-up and wear dresses and try to make themselves beautiful, you have to make yourself "beautiful" in the way women are attracted to men. And that's essentially all the core values that pickup is trying to create via all the odd techniques out there. They are aimed towards the same goal which is presenting attractive qualities to women

[babe catcher]

interesting thoughts, keep them coming, in response to MMH I just looked up the words 'need' and 'want' in the dictionary and they both mean the same thing:

need= require or be in want of

want= need or long for; desire or wish

I'm just man enought to admit that us men do need women, thats nature for you, everything or most things if not everything is created in pairs, male and female, even plants, so humans need each other to procreate, even to make a test tube baby you still need male sperm  minus the shagging   

I mean just imagine if no women ever wanted us men, all hell will break loose, we would all be testosterone crazed monkeys killing one another or something! 

how many men can honestly put up their hands and say they can live a life without women??? even the priests resort to child abuse because thats what happens when men try to suppress their natural desires, it eventually comes out in perverted ways.

[babe catcher]

@Kraven why do women show more flesh then men? do they feel a need to sexualise themselves more inorder to impress us men? or have we men sexualised them and treat them like sex objects and now women are trying to live up to our sexual fantasies? you will see plenty of women with low cut tops, showing off their boobs but you will hardly see a guy showing off his muscular pecs  so whats the catch with this one? 

[MMH]

Hmm, I think its more than mere semantics though. Look at these two sentences:

"I WANT a glass of water."

"I NEED a glass of water."

Can you see where I'm coming from? The first quote implies that you would like a glass of water, but there is no sense of desperation there. However the second hints more to water being a necessity, because, of course, you need water to survive. And yes all heterosexual and non-asexual men do need women, but when people speak of 'needyness', they are describing a scenario in which you are persistently chasing a specific person, or indeed are being clingy with a spouse. Now, there is nothing wrong with wanting to spend time together, that's what people in love do, but it is an issue if one person is more bothered than the other who is fairly indifferent.

To be honest, I also think your statement about perversion is quite sweeping. There are men who are supposed to be in happy marriages who can be exposed as pedophiles, just as there are men who are sexually repressed who do not react violently towards repeated rejections. They just calmly get on with their life instead, albeit most likely quite miserably.

[babe catcher]

@Rizky M I completely agree with you on the point that modern men are raised as pussies, when it comes to finding a woman, they dont have even the slightest clue as to what to do, dads havent done their jobs properly raising their sons. something for us to bear in mind if one day we too are dads 

[babe catcher]

give your toddlers a copy of the daygame blueprint

[RizkyM]

"Want" and "needy" are essentially the same. Only "want" is more commanding when "needy" are more pathethic.

You SHOULDN'T care about that. All you should care about is just your objective.

I started to not really care at all if I was all needy, all I care is her answer. Yes or no. (Dave X's rule#1)

When I approached a women, all these different thoughts running on my mind...

Do I being alpha enough?
How is my body language?
Is there three IOI already?
Did she fidgeting?
How is my value demonstration?
Is everyone else watching?
Are they impressed?
Are they laughing at me?

Did you see how this tortures me? Let's put ourselves outta misery...

I know so many friends that always being a stalker, looking at the girl with such pathethic eyes... They were so afraid to talk to them that they need to get their number from their ugly friends. But yet some of them succeed and get the girl.

[Kraven]

Its all about the different kinds of attraction: Various pickup literature talks at length about the evolutionary psychology behind it (Especially Mystery's first book actually)

Women are attracted to: Alpha males who can protect there social status, they can be trusted, they can be leaders. This is because back in the ol' caveman days its what they needed to survive, protection and stuff.

Men are attracted to: Females with a good figure who are healthy looking. This because back in the ol' caveman days they needed women who could produce good offspring. Big boobs and wide hips provide better chance of baby survival

This kind of 'attraction' is hardwired into our brains and hence why women work to accentuate there look and men to accentuate there manly caveman qualities

Bear in mind this is just a theory that has been proposed, yet it seems to make sense to me

[CaryGrant]

Why do men have to go out of their way and learn special pick up skills just to get women?

Previously a caveman or Roman would just "take her"...but now because women are not as submissive as they used to be they now have freedom of choice and can just say NO.