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Offline nj

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Conversation King. Intonation.
« on: April 12, 2012, 10:06:04 AM »
I started watching this yesterday. As tempted to watch it all, I just watched the basic foundation (first part).

This has been mentioned before, about intonation and the voice.

This may be clarified later but some inflexion in the voice is normal and a total removal of inflection is not the aim? It is boring to listen to a voice like that.

When your talking about something you like, you will naturally have varying intonation patterns and often it will inflect upwards, I don't think this is approval seeking? If you speak about something you like and you cut off the inflection it will not appear authentic.

The stress and intonation can change meaning.

You could come on ↘↗Monday. (Implies it might not be the best day.)
You could come on ↘Monday. (A simple fact.)

I ↘↗like jazz. (But not all types).
I ↘like jazz. (A simple fact.)

Try some names 1) ↘Mary 2)↗Mary.

So applying this to daygame.

I think you look really ↗nice  (All say this is approval seeking but I would suggest this comes across as unsure as well, it's like your not fully committing to the compliment).
I think you look really ↘ nice (A simple fact, I'm king of fashion and I KNOW you look nice).

I've got ten minutes, lets go for a ↗coffee (unsure of outcome)
I've got ten minutes, lets go for a ↘coffee (speaker knows its on)

I'd ↘ like to go to Iceland (Fact)
I'd ↘↗ like to go to Iceland (Implication, we expect the speaker will not go)

Inflection is risk aversion?

↗ Rising intonation means I am not sure, please reply.
↘ Falling intonation means I know that my statement is correct.

Thought I should add, the video seems really promising so far.
« Last Edit: April 12, 2012, 06:31:15 PM by Andy Yosha »



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Offline archer1000

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Re: Conversation King. Intonation.
« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2012, 06:41:05 PM »
I can't understand your post mate. Too many arrows and shit. I think this short video summerises what you are trying to say though.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VDslvC4_5w
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Re: Conversation King. Intonation.
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2012, 05:39:28 PM »
I think I understand the point you are trying to make, so these are responses to what I have interpreted from your post :)

The point about cutting out inflections making your voice seem boring seems reasonable, however I think what you are referring to is monotone. You still vary your pitch and speak with downward inflections without being monotonous. What Tom is trying to (I think) say is that you must not let those upward inflections dominate the entire interactions.

Sometimes, you are right, it can sound weird to eliminate ALL upward inflections in your speech. For instance, if you try asking a question without using one it can be very challenging, especially when in an interaction, to do so without sounding very weird.

If you watch the two recent infield video blog posts you will see that there is constant variation in tonality/inflections, but they are predominantly not using positive inflections.

As a general rule, "↗ Rising intonation" suggests uncertainty and need for assurance (a.k.a. approval seeking.) "↘ Falling intonation" demonstrates your confidence and certainty (making her the one who is having what she says affirmed by you).

Basically the gist of what I got from that small section was: don't make yourself seem uncertain, unconfident and unable supplicate what the girl says strongly - as Tom summed up nicely "Non-needy"

P.S. how did you get 4 gold coffee cups and VIP status? is it like a membership to the forum company thing or what :S?
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