Here's the TRUTH about Day Game...

[spinaroonie]

The vast majority of day game closes I've seen have been:
1) local guys going after foreign girls without an established large social circle
2) foreign guys going after local girls and playing up their exotic card

krauserpua.com is one example.
sashapua.com is another example.
Yad is a third example.

IMO girls with established social circles are generally much harder to bag than those without. Many of my lays have been girls who had limited social exposure (perhaps had only one or two friends) or didn't have friends at all. These were cool chicks, but for one reason or another, they just didn't seem to have friends.

I've only once laid a super popular chick with tons of friends and that was (unsurprisingly) ? through a social circle! I've found that it's next to impossible to lay Facebook junkies with thousands of friends if no one is vouching for you? Just forget about it.

Also, it's always easier to lay foreign chicks than locals, especially if you're a local yourself. When one of you is foreign or when she is in a foreign environment, a lot of social rules as to what is acceptable and what isn't tend to go out the window. This is why expats find it easier to get laid no matter where they are, why European guys get laid more in the US, why American guys get laid more in Europe etc. It's the foreign factor. Some of the most successful players are guys who target a certain foreign demographic or move abroad themselves.

My opinion is that you need much more ?alpha capital? to lay a local chick if you're a local yourself, whereas a foreign guy can get away with a lot of shortcomings because they either get lost in translation or they are purposely overlooked.

I'm interested in the input of fellow day gamers on this.

[handy andy]

the truth? no.    a truth? yes

you play to your strengths. that's common sense surely. i live in a foreign county and being british is a big bonus for me. its kinda exotic, chicks want to practice their english and having an english speaking boyfriend can be almost a status thing. how do you think i feel about that ? fucking great.

for guys who live in their home city of course it's easier to hook up with a tourist. they're on holiday and they want to have fun. they are literally investing money into having a good time. if the holiday is going to be a good one, then it will involve meeting lots of people, and quite possibly sleeping with some of them. that's the nature of a good holiday.

they dont know the city or the culture and suddenly up pops a cool guy/possible date/tour guide/font of all local knowledge rolled into one. you're valuable to them. of course there's going to be more chance of getting to sleep with them, than some super popular socialite who is constantly getting invited out by her social circle. girls with large social circle's are by nature going to know more guys, those guys will be trying to bang her and will have the advantage of not just being some random guy.

however dont rule out womens craving for romance. and it's my honest belief that meeting women in the day can be very romantic. watch a hugh grant style rom-com. they are written for the female market - is he hooking up with the women via his social circle, internet dating, whilst out on the piss ? no, it's nearly always a random, out of the blue meeting. which in a way is a bit like daygame. women like that shit. and i for one like that they like that shit.

so yeah, you play to your strengths. nowt wrong with that lad.

[TantraMagnet]

Truth is relative especially since we have only seen the videos they have posted.

I do find it curious that the videos I have seen by these guys are foreign girl approaches.

Have you emailed Krauser, Sasha, or Yad regarding this? I think your argument is valid and needs further insight from others.

I live on a island where most of the hot girls are vacationing with their parents, boyfriend, or husband for a week which makes it rather challenging.  However, offering her the personal tour guide option is a plus.

[Amazin]

I agree with your point and I do think it is valid. Thats not the truth about daygame though, its just an observation.

It would be lot harder to game a white British national. Pulling tourists is much easier.

[BeStrong]

Like Amazin said "Thats not the truth about daygame though, its just an observation.". For me it's so obvious that it's not even worh mentioning. But frankly it pisses me off when I see infield videos with foreign chicks. It gives you the fake image of how easy it is whereas the guy has half of the work done because of this.

It's nothing you can do. The game is the same. The only difference is lower success ratio. Tom posted his 2011 results. He had 9% lay success so I think with local girls it could be 4% tops which isn't much. One can wonder if it is worth the time.

[spinaroonie]

Girls between the ages of 18-24 are mostly in college or they are connected with people from their high school. The power of a young women?s social circle is a HUGE threat to a random stranger who approaches her with romantic intent. Firstly, younger women in their prime have TONS of options within their social circles. Secondly, the value of a man in a woman?s social circle will be much higher than a man who is not apart of her circle of friends. Again, at quick glance, a woman would rather date a guy who is a 7/10 in her social circle than meeting a guy on the street who is a 10/10. This has been proven every single time. I know this from asking tons of women and seeing this first hand. I also did a survey on this a few years ago. This is why once a girl in her prime has circle of decent friends? it is tough to get to her. Especially the prettier she is, the more people want her around. Even girls who come from other countries or states will quickly get into a decent social circle sine they are attractive and in their prime. (Assuming that they came here to live).

Older Women?s social circles are much different than a younger woman?s circle of friends. Firstly, most of the friends of a older woman will be older and already settled down. Also, the social circles are much smaller as they age. Think about it. Where as in a young girls social circle, everyone is constantly dating each other and all of them are also in their prime.

This is why some people say that local girls seem more difficult to get than tourists. Well based on the things I said above, of course they will be. When I say ?get? the women, I mean from meet-to-sex. I do NOT mean getting phone numbers or drunken bar sex. One thing to note, I would rather bang a hot tourist than a mediocre local.

About foreign young women in their prime? Here is the truth, if a foreign woman comes to LIVE in your country, she will quickly get a social circle and become just as difficult to get as a local girl will. Why? Because she is hot and has a circle of friends already with whom she can meet more friends and also potential boyfriends.

Let?s not forgot how influenced younger women are from their friends. I know girls who have dated guys just because their friends recommended. Friends NEVER recommend dating strangers.

This is the reason why the BEST LOOKING PICK-UP ARTISTS tend to have great trouble getting sexual relationships with young girls in their prime. They mostly get their women in very late 20?s and early 30?s. I took notes. It is especially difficult when they already have a social circle with their dream boyfriend. Even if you got her number, to actually see her again and have sex with her will be difficult.

http://justinwayneblog.com/2011/12/14/younger-women-vs-older-women-which-is-harder/

[Kyle Daymaker]

No offense but this is a lot of bullshit. Every girl I've ever slept with had no ties to my social circle. Banging 9% of your number closes seems about right, if you have good day 2 game. Look at it like this...If you approach 500 girls, you're gonna sleep with 45 of them. That's a pretty damn good year.

I don't think it matters if they're foreign or not. That's garbage. Girls are girls any way you slice it. Sure, there are some culture differences, blah blah blah, who cares? If you want to get laid more, approach more girls. I don't see what the big deal is.

I want to see more threads about approaching girls. I don't want to see threads about why you shouldn't. 

[craze6663]

lol another "truth" thread

[BeStrong]

Kyle - yes, it's a number game.
spinaroonie - you're right

[The Zuberi]

What a bunch of bullshit. Limiting beliefs is what I tell you but keep on living in the rigid mental cage you constructed so dearly.

Yes, foreign girls are a bit easier, as is playing the tourist card yourself, I remember this when I, as a dutch guy, went to live in NYC for a year. Still, it's possible with local girls aswell.

And can we please shut up about that justin wayne bullcrap, it almost feels like covert marketing for his stuff. If you always try to find the magic bullet you'll never fire any bullets resulting in 100% misses.

[Kyle Daymaker]

What The Zuberi said is spot on. I think you should start your own forum Justin Wayne. That way you don't have to post the same exact shit on daygame.com, bodybuilding.com, puahate, sosuave, rooshv, and some of the other forums that didn't come up in my google search of "spinaroonie justin wayne"

[Amazin]

About foreign young women in their prime? Here is the truth, if a foreign woman comes to LIVE in your country, she will quickly get a social circle and become just as difficult to get as a local girl will. Why? Because she is hot and has a circle of friends already with whom she can meet more friends and also potential boyfriends.

Everything takes time to build up. You can't just generalise like that

lol another "truth" thread

Yep, coming from people who's still learning this and probably made this topic out of impulse

Btw, why would you want to be like JW anyways? Its difficult to be part of her life because the way how you meet. I personally don't just want to shag them, I want to keep them in my life

[handy andy]

also lets not forget that women get bored of their social circle - they want to meet new, exciting people, just like we all do. plus if you live in centrel london then frankly most of the really hot girls you see will be foreign. that's just the way it is. why get hung up on a girls birth certificate when you want to get into her.

[Rob]

Girls between the ages of 18-24 are mostly in college or they are connected with people from their high school. The power of a young women?s social circle is a HUGE threat to a random stranger who approaches her with romantic intent. Firstly, younger women in their prime have TONS of options within their social circles. Secondly, the value of a man in a woman?s social circle will be much higher than a man who is not apart of her circle of friends. Again, at quick glance, a woman would rather date a guy who is a 7/10 in her social circle than meeting a guy on the street who is a 10/10. This has been proven every single time. I know this from asking tons of women and seeing this first hand. I also did a survey on this a few years ago. This is why once a girl in her prime has circle of decent friends? it is tough to get to her. Especially the prettier she is, the more people want her around. Even girls who come from other countries or states will quickly get into a decent social circle sine they are attractive and in their prime. (Assuming that they came here to live).

Older Women?s social circles are much different than a younger woman?s circle of friends. Firstly, most of the friends of a older woman will be older and already settled down. Also, the social circles are much smaller as they age. Think about it. Where as in a young girls social circle, everyone is constantly dating each other and all of them are also in their prime.

This is why some people say that local girls seem more difficult to get than tourists. Well based on the things I said above, of course they will be. When I say ?get? the women, I mean from meet-to-sex. I do NOT mean getting phone numbers or drunken bar sex. One thing to note, I would rather bang a hot tourist than a mediocre local.

About foreign young women in their prime? Here is the truth, if a foreign woman comes to LIVE in your country, she will quickly get a social circle and become just as difficult to get as a local girl will. Why? Because she is hot and has a circle of friends already with whom she can meet more friends and also potential boyfriends.

Let?s not forgot how influenced younger women are from their friends. I know girls who have dated guys just because their friends recommended. Friends NEVER recommend dating strangers.

This is the reason why the BEST LOOKING PICK-UP ARTISTS tend to have great trouble getting sexual relationships with young girls in their prime. They mostly get their women in very late 20?s and early 30?s. I took notes. It is especially difficult when they already have a social circle with their dream boyfriend. Even if you got her number, to actually see her again and have sex with her will be difficult.

http://justinwayneblog.com/2011/12/14/younger-women-vs-older-women-which-is-harder/

You have just been copy and pasting from JW's site. Do you work for him or something? Im going to keep an eye on the posts.

[MMH]

The truth about daygame: Try it out before you slag it off.

We don't need internet trolls dismissing it for the most part here, nor do we need to waste our time listening to them. Why? Because at the end of the day, a lot of the people here have already tried this out and know the truth for themselves. Those that haven't are probably working themselves up to it.