Yad Stop, she doesn't stop, but asks to walk with her.

[zainkool]

I had few incidents where I would do the yad stop and I will remain my ground. the wonderful women will slow down for a bit. However, she is in actually hurry, some excuses I had was I'm late for work. She will ask me to walk with hwe. Should I disagree to walk with her and just keep my ground. If I do that How I get her to stop? or should I actually take her offer and walk with her. run my game like that.

any intake on this?

[zakster]

This likely goes into a deeper question of "what does walking with a girl when she tells you she is in a hurry mean to you?"

If agreeing to walk means TO YOU that you are losing value, then you probably wouldn't want to do it.

If agreeing to walk means TO YOU that it's not a big deal, then it isn't a big deal.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. Having said that, I walk with women where they are headed all the time. Ultimately if they are walking REAL FAST(vs. just walking) I will tell them: "look I dont wanna chase you to your apartment haha, gimme a minute, hold up". Now most women will give you a minute to just get rid of you. But you get that minute to communicate to her what you're lookin for and see if she is up to it. Many of my audios show me doing this type of plowing.

[zainkool]

Thanks. Where can I find your audio, cause I heard some of them.

[zakster]

you can hear them here:
http://www.box.com/s/guaoxvtolhajmq4fv48e

btw can u edit the post and remove my real name? i don't want to be found on google for this stuff heh.

[Rob]

you can hear them here:
http://www.box.com/s/guaoxvtolhajmq4fv48e

btw can u edit the post and remove my real name? i don't want to be found on google for this stuff heh.

Done

[zainkool]

btw can u edit the post and remove my real name? i don't want to be found on google for this stuff heh.

sorry about that man

[BeStrong]

'the wonderful women will slow down for a bit. However, she is in actually hurry' = you didn't stopped her!
Get in her way and stop her. There are videos and podcast topics for this.
Never walk with her! At no circumstances. Stand your ground. If she's slowly leaving just keep talking(dont change your voice) and she may stop again. If you'll se any IOI go and reopen(see Sasha's videos for this).


OR see Paul Janka - he's style is more numbers game = he'll get 10-15 numbers per day during 90sec-2min(max) conversations.

[zakster]

Never walk with her! At no circumstances.

My experience says that's terrible advice.

[BeStrong]

It depends if you are direct or indirect. Because by walking with her/chasing her you are lowering your value(quite a lot). So if you are indirect it doesn't matter that much. In fact if you are indirect by chasing her you may save the approach. If you are direct then going after her is the stupidest thing you can do. Just accept that you screwed your approach and move on(remember she's not rejecting you but your approach).

Note about the continuing to talk - she'll may feel that she's not being polite leaving you like that and she may reconsider her behavior. So she can stop(quite possible) and even come back to you(possible but don't count on that). If she stops you can slowly go to normal talking distance as before.

If you'd watch it as a third person, who woul'd look more confident: the guy who is standing his ground or the guy who is chasing the girl like a puppy?

So you are right. Sometimes it's good to chase her. I wouldn't do it even if I'll go indirect but that's my point of view on things.

As I've mentioned if she doesn't stop or even slow but gives you a smile go and reopen => see those Sasha videos.

If she doesn't stop and keeps walking => your approach is bad. Change something.

PS: the walking/chasing thing can be seen on this guy's videos http://www.youtube.com/user/urbanistgame/videos
In most of he's approaches the girl slows down but keeps walking and he start walking next to her and it leads to no where.

We are different each one of us and some things work for someone but doeasn't work for another one. The golden rule here is: if something doeasn't work change something.

[zakster]

it's simple:

most women won't stop IMMEDIATELY. it does not mean they don't like you.
you can walk with women. it's ok. you won't have low value or any of that crap.

if she says she is walking in a certain direction and wonders if you can walk with her, DO IT. she is kinda into you. but she needs to get somewhere. at a high point in your conversation, stop. go for date close.

if she is walking and continues walking, keep walking and bust on her for walking so far. eventually if she doesnt stop tell her "i dont wanna keep walking with you i gotta go that way but gimme one minute to blow your mind away. just kidding". you'll get your minute. if you are chill, that minute will regularly turn into 5-20 minutes.

in any case, having a PHILOSOPHICAL stance that walking with a girl is BAD and results in lower value is dangerous and complete bullshit from my experience. i say this as someone who scores a date or two every week from sets that continue walking and don't IMMEDIATELY stop.

[Amazin]

This likely goes into a deeper question of "what does walking with a girl when she tells you she is in a hurry mean to you?"

If agreeing to walk means TO YOU that you are losing value, then you probably wouldn't want to do it.

If agreeing to walk means TO YOU that it's not a big deal, then it isn't a big deal.

I don't think there is a right or wrong answer. Having said that, I walk with women where they are headed all the time. Ultimately if they are walking REAL FAST(vs. just walking) I will tell them: "look I dont wanna chase you to your apartment haha, gimme a minute, hold up". Now most women will give you a minute to just get rid of you. But you get that minute to communicate to her what you're lookin for and see if she is up to it. Many of my audios show me doing this type of plowing.

I believe thats the truth. I'm sure plenty guys out there doing exactly the opposite and still get laid. I don't think its about what you do but what you feel. Your feelings and emotions will project itself onto the person you talk to.

Btw, I got a friend who does that and get laid.

[zainkool]

guys you are taken what I'm saying completely wrong. When I do a yad stop correctly they always stop in front of me, but If they don't stop. I stand my ground, but I have had rare occasions where I had some hot girls told me to walk with them right after I approached because they are in a hurry. I have always denied. That is what I'm asking. If the girl asked  you to walk with her should I agree or deny after approach.

[CaryGrant]

I'm not sure what the fuss is? If she's in a hurry then she's in a hurry, at least she didnt just straight out reject you and tell you to fuck off. She invited you to walk with her. You wont be able to get her to stop if she's already said she's in a hurry.

OK, so it's jumping through her hoop but what else are you gonna do? It all depends on how much you wanna talk to the girl and how much you like her.

Walk with her, banter and explain your opener. Make sure she knows you're hitting on her and that you HAD to approach her. Building some comfort might make her ok about stopping for a few secs. Make an excuse to stop eg, "Ok I'm gonna turn down this street." and say goodbye and as you do go for the close.

Also if you walk with her be careful not to physically invest too much or peck. You'll notice the woman will walk and look directly ahead and NOT at you whereas you'll find yourself looking ahead and looking at her too.

[zakster]

Walk with them.

Quickly figure out what her logistics are. If she is late for work or class, go for the close quickly. Say "I know you gotta run and I gotta run but youre kinda intriguing...when do you get off? Ok 6pm? Cool meet me over there at 6:15. What's your number by the way?"

You can generally tell if they are genuinely late by the speed they are walking. If they are strolling, the ba is in your court to get a few giggles out of her and stop at some intersection.

[buzzkill]

Justin Wayne, the King of NY day game over here in NYC,  did a post on this... really good shyt...

http://justinwaynepua.com/2010/12/05/justin-wayne-instant-date-video-analysis/

Basically, he has a video of him 3 and a half years ago in his old game... so this is 'pre-Domino Effect era'.

Basically, in the video the girl asks him if he wants to grab a bite with her, and before he says yes, he gets her to invest a little by following him  first to get something... That way he is leading instead of her... He breaks it down nicely.